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Lady Gaga, Lolly Pop, and Fashion Piracy

August 26th, 2010
Author: Skelly

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Did you know Semi Precious Weapons are coming to Xcel Energy Center on August 30 & 31?  Did you know Lady Gaga will be with them?  Yeah, you probably did.  It was nice of those guys to let her hitch a ride on tour with them.  They’re a great band, and did you know Semi Precious Weapons had an inspirational role in the creation of Borangutan back in 2008 when they played a Tuesday evening show at the 7th Street Entry?  No kidding.  They’re just one of a few connections I have to Lady Gaga – not personal connections, mind you, but experiential ones.

With Lady Gaga coming to town next week it seems like a good time to lay bare another experiential connection I have to the Fame Monster.  That connection is local POP INC artist Brooke Aldridge who I’ve been acquainted with for many years and who possesses distinct Gaga connections of her own.  What does Brooke Aldridge have to do with Lady Gaga?  The truth is – not much, but there is one important sticking point that makes her connection to Lady Gaga tragically unoriginal.  Brooke Aldridge (aka. Lolly Pop) is one of the many beneficiaries of Lady Gaga’s fashion piracy.

Glamorous Life – Lolly Pop

What is fashion piracy?  For this article’s purpose, I might just define it as the mining of fashion ideas from images on websites and the follow-up implementation of those ideas through fashion designs offline.  This is a crude yet instructive definition and may or may not be representative of legal terminology that is currently being used to pass legislation on this issue (in fact, it’s most likely not).  Rather than burden anyone with too much info on the topic, I’ll instead encourage people to visit the website of the legal movement at http://www.stopfashionpiracy.com.  Fashion piracy (as I define it) as it is practiced today would have been impossible or only marginally useful 15 years ago.  People certainly stole the fashion ideas of others back then, but without the worldwide web in place it was difficult to accomplish it on the level now so easily attainable.

Lady Gaga has been accused of fashion piracy (implicitly, if not explicitly) by various artists including Grace Jones, Britney Speares, Roisin Murphy, and Kerli.  Heck, even Timbaland has gotten in on the action!  But what exactly did Lady Gaga do?  She stole ideas as evidenced by the artists (Timbaland aside) – but what she didn’t do is steal the design off someone’s back and don an exact replica of someone else’s wardrobe.  Nevertheless, this has understandably angered many, and in Lolly Pop’s case, the examples are no less poignant than in others.  See for yourself.  Lady Gaga photos are from 2010, Lolly Pop photos date 2004-2007 and earlier.

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This is only a sample of the examples made available on the Lolly Pop Has Been Knicked by Lady Gaga fan page.

The reality of the situation is that Lady Gaga has not blatantly broken any American laws by piggybacking off the ideas of other artists.  Has she tightrope walked ethical boundaries?  You bet she has, but as a marketer it’s worth mentioning that what she (or rather, her people) has been doing is par for the course, and actually, it’s good practice.  Lady Gaga’s marketers obviously partake in regular coolhunting expeditions online.  How do I know this?  Because, I give them a lot of credit – they’re very good at what they do (and I mean very good), and if they didn’t coolhunt, well, let’s just say Gaga would still resemble a Beetlejuice character as she did in 2006.  If nothing else, two things can be said of great marketers: they never miss a beat in their industry, and they never reveal their precise methods (which in most cases, are pretty straight forward in practice… like a coolhunt).

Yet if Lady Gaga isn’t breaking any laws in her home country, and the ethical boundaries aren’t clearly drawn, and her marketers are in effect “just doing their jobs,” then what is the fuss?  Many of the artists that have been subjected to Lady Gaga’s fashion piracy would like some acknowledgement or recognition, but a search through cyberspace reveals that vocalizing this can be risky business with armies of Gaga fans lurking around every corner waiting to defend their sweetheart tooth and nail.  Their first inclination; hate the “Gaga haters,” and then vehemently discredit them.

As a means to establish some credibility for someone who hasn’t the name recognition, I did a little background work to get more details about Lolly Pop’s pedigree of ideas, origination, and originality.  I spoke with Monte Moir of Morris Day and the Time, who performed alongside Rhianna at the Grammy Awards back in 2008.  Moir was also a band leader on Lolly Pop’s Glamorous Tour in 2006.  I also spoke with Nadine Light, a former member of pre-Lolly Pop outfit Telephone! (another Brooke Aldridge project) and later an on-air personality at ENERGY 92.7 FM in San Francisco where she worked with DJ Trevor Simpson, an early Gaga supporter and reputable re-mixer of her song “Just Dance.”  Here is what they had to say about Lolly Pop and the peculiar touchpoints between her and Lady Gaga.

(Interviews were conducted separately, not in conjunction)

A Short Q&A with Monte Moir

Skelly:  How did you and Lolly Pop initially meet?

Monte Moir: We met after a Time show in Minneapolis. She introduced herself and handed me her Telephone CD.

Skelly: What was it about her that captured your attention and ultimately led to your collaborations?

MM: I thought she had some great musical and conceptual ideas. She’s also highly energetic and driven.

Skelly: You were band leader on Lolly Pop’s Glamorous Tour.  There was definitely a strong artistic element to that tour set apart from the music – could you tell us a little about that?

MM: It was very artistic in the sense that music and theatre were combined. It was the telling of a story. It was indeed an electro-pop-opera albeit on a shoestring budget.

Skelly: I’ve read some materials online that reveal some interesting similarities between Lady Gaga’s Monsterball and Telephone efforts and those of Lolly Pop circa 2006-7, could you comment on that?

MM
: Others have stated many similarities in detail which I don’t feel a need to go into again but I will say Brooke was on the cutting edge of the electro pop movement.

She was releasing electro-pop CDs a few years before Lady Gaga and even Gwen Stefani’s 2004 electro-pop type CD. Now I’m a fan of both Gaga and Gwen Stefani, but it’s unfortunate for those involved in pioneering a movement (as Brooke has been) because sometimes they don’t get the recognition they deserve.

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A Short Q&A with Nadine Light

Skelly: When did you first meet Brooke/Lolly Pop?

Nadine Light: Lolly Pop and I first met around 2003 through another Twin Cities based musician.

Skelly: What was it about Lolly Pop that made her a unique artist?

NL: While other bands were simply playing their songs at shows she had an entire theme and performance set up, all the way down to choreography. There was a storyline that flowed through the songs, and in-character dialogue onstage that tied them together.  Especially in the 2006 album, a story runs from start to finish- truly making it an electro pop opera.

To only listen to the album and not see an actual show would be robbing yourself of the full experience. Lolly Pop doesn’t play shows – she IS a show.

Skelly: I’ve been informed that you received Lady Gaga’s promotional material from Energy management while working on the West Coast.  What was your reaction?

NL: As far as promotional materials go, I don’t think I ever saw more than just an autographed photo of her (Lady Gaga) in the studio, and quite frankly I thought “wow, that’s some weird outfit she’s got on.  Lolly Pop would so do something like that.”

It wasn’t until I was online researching info about her to talk about on the air and came across her MySpace profile bio that I was really taken aback.  Minus some of the [Lolly Pop] bits about spending time in Africa – it was practically like Gaga copied and pasted Lolly Pop’s background info.

I remember calling a few friends back in Minneapolis who had seen Lolly Pop’s shows and MySpace page and we were all pretty surprised at how strikingly similar the bios were.  Adding to the possibility of it being more than pure circumstance was that Gaga and Lolly Pop were MySpace friends.  (This of course being way before Gaga’s friend/fan numbers were in the hundreds of thousands.)

Skelly: What did you think of Lady Gaga’s stage show later that year?

NL: The winter of 2008, Lady Gaga was a co-headliner at the winter concert that my station (Energy 92.7) put on every year.

It was sort of sweet and sour to see Lolly Pop’s dream realized – but by someone else.  Especially after the way-too-similar MySpace bios that I came across earlier.  The Lady Gaga stage show seemed like something ripped from the pages of a Lolly Pop choreography book written long before.  It was the show that Lolly Pop would have had if she had more financial backing than what you get when you are a starving artist.

Lolly Pop is in a situation that I don’t envy in the least.  She has been working selflessly and tirelessly for years with electro artists from around the country (and producers overseas) to help grow the genre- whether it be organizing tours and fund raising shows, or contributing to compilation albums.

How thrilling for a genre to become mainstream that you’ve worked so long and hard to have recognized… and how discouraging to hear the face of that genre [Gaga] say that she is “The First” (ie: naming her tour “first ever/world’s first”).

When Lady Gaga comes to the Xcel Energy Center next week adoring fans will scream and swoon over the pop idol, something that local artist Brooke Aldridge has probably dreamt of since her earliest performing days.  Yet for her and others (including Lady Gaga) who stand upon the shoulders of true giants such as David Bowie, Cher, Madonna, and Michael Jackson, they may likely never experience a similar reception.  The crux of the issue is not a matter of artists emulating the generalities of their forebears; it’s a matter of artists pirating particulars from them and their contemporaries.  Among artists, there is a difference between public anachronism onstage and the quiet assertion over ownership of a creative idea that did not originate from within (especially if money is involved)!  The former is flattery, the latter is contemptuous, and once money is involved, exploitative.

Lolly Pop Album Lady Gaga, Lolly Pop, and Fashion PiracyRegardless of where anyone stands on the issue of Lady Gaga and fashion piracy, one thing is for certain: that which made her will ultimately decide her legacy as well.  Lady Gaga has not only benefited from money, but she has benefited from the coolhunt friendly nature of social media (so much so, she’s now crowned herself the Queen of Twitter).  On the topic of fashion piracy Lady Gaga’s marketing machine, like the government in the television show The X-Files, will likely continue to deny everything until the end, but as so many of us who study marketing in social media know, one ignores a social media storm to one’s own peril.  That which perpetuated Lady Gaga’s alluring personality may ultimately leave it forever disfigured.  That is, of course, unless her, her marketers, and PR people decide to address it.

What say you all?  Is the better analogy for Lady Gaga’s fashion marketing strategies a slap to the face, or a slap on the wrist?  For my part, I’ll just be interested to see how this all plays out.

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More detailed and in depth information on the juxtaposition of Lolly Pop and Lady Gaga may be found through the following link.

Lolly Pop Has Been Knicked By Lady Gaga

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  1. Nika
    August 26th, 2010 at 16:53 | #1

    Brooke/Lolly Pop will always have supportive fans here at home. While it may not be the same as fame and fortune, we know who the true creative genius. As far as innovation goes, GaGa can suck it….a lolly pop that is.

  2. August 26th, 2010 at 21:19 | #2

    Caught their set in Jersey/NYC, nice to see Lolly surface! We generally agree with Grace that Gaga is the worst case of walking theft we’ve ever seen. Her team has definitely pillaged Pop world and many others. She sure can work a stage though!

  3. August 27th, 2010 at 10:06 | #3

    I love Lady GaGa.

  4. Mr. Wednesday
    August 27th, 2010 at 10:27 | #4

    Where is all the outrage over Lolly Pop gettin ripped off by Gwen Stefani? Or Jewel? Im SURE that if someone put as much journalistic effort as this “article” did, we will find a scandal heretofore unbeknown… I’m waitin for that story to break at *any* time.

    Without Lady GaGa’s blatant rip off of… you-name-it, she would be nothing but an above average, multi-platinum singer songwriter, for whatever that is worth now a days.

    Thank you, Skelly; after my eyes stopped rolling, you have brought tears of laughter to the seedy underbelly of the TC music scene.

    Probably unintentional, but what the hell. Cheers.

  5. Digital Ghost
    August 27th, 2010 at 11:03 | #5

    bring lollypop back!!! lady ga ga went lady ka ka!!!!!!!

  6. August 27th, 2010 at 14:37 | #6

    @cheap hangbags
    Even I can admit there is much to admire (love?) about Lady GaGa. I’m not a hater whatsoever, but I do find her business model well worth watching both for it’s great marketing execution as well as it’s whirlwind PR strategy. We may yet learn much from Lady GaGa.

    @Mr. Wednesday
    You won’t get an argument to your comments from my end, they seem pretty reasonable to me. I’m not too sure what the “seedy underbelly” of the Twin Cities is, but if I can make it laugh, terrific! I aim to please. ;)

    In other news, it seems others have taken notice of this local articulation too.

    Did Lady Gaga rip off local singer? – Vita.mn

  7. Asbestos
    August 27th, 2010 at 17:15 | #7

    LMAO. Well, I guess whatever a washed-up MN go-nowhere do-nothing nobody can do to drum up some 15 microseconds of fame

  8. August 27th, 2010 at 17:20 | #8

    Anyone who listens to both Lolly Pop and Lady Gaga will find only a very superficial resemblance between the two. For that matter, Lolly Pop could by the same logic be called guilty of ripping off from Madonna, Sheila E, Alice Deejay, or any number of dance/pop acts from the last 20 years. Monte Moir says it best: “Speculation? Yes. Proof? No.” Jealousy of success is not the same as intellectual property theft.

  9. August 27th, 2010 at 19:56 | #9

    Hi Guys,
    Just want to say thanks to Skelly and Chris R @ Star Tribune/VITA.MN for remembering TELEPHONE!/Lolly Pop and to the cheerleaders on here, it means a lot.

    I’d like to clarify that I am a fan of Stefani Germanotta. I think she has a much better voice than I do, and of course Julliard helps (that school must have been really intense). I respect her greatly and I don’t want anyone to make any mistakes around that.

    As pointed out by press (Chris R/VITA.MN)- we did coin the phrase “Electro-Pop-Opera” in 2006 to describe the GLAMOROUS ’06 Tour, which means Gaga’s press agent should clarify use of “World’s first” or “first ever” when describing Monster Ball.

    Besides Camp Gaga employing this term to push Monster Ball, the key focus of the 2006 record Lolly Pop and the Glamorous ’06 Tour is going to “the Ball”. This is also a large part of Monster Ball, please watch the Monster Ball 2.0 DVD. Then, feel free to listen to “Dress Up” or the entire Lolly Pop album: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/lolly-pop/id216069472

    RE: the TELEPHONE thing… It’s all there to look at and listen to. Viewers and listeners will draw their own conclusions.

    @Abestos, we just had a release out last week (Ninthwave Records- Synthetic Dance Music Vol 2) with my new line up (POP INC). You can find that here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/looking-for-klf-pure-trance/id385154121?i=385154123&ign-mpt=uo%3D4. You might like Heaven 17, Spray or Matinee Club.

    @Johnny M, Moir’s quotes in the above article are more extensive/telling.

    The bottom line is: Popular artists come and go. Trends come and go. Money comes and goes. Fame comes and goes: Bowie and Lennon said it best in 1975. It’s what’s left over when it’s all done and said that matters.

    And that’s why- despite the above and implications thereof- I love Stefani Germanotta. Underneath the wild costumes and wigs, there’s a soul in there who’s got so much more to give.

    love,
    Brooke

  10. Berlin
    August 28th, 2010 at 21:49 | #10

    are you serious with this???

    Ms Lolly Pop or whatver her name is is NOT the first artist to use a phonebooth or phones for music, NOR will she be the last.

    These are stupid comparions made in order to create news that will sell since it’s got LADY GAGA in it.

  11. August 29th, 2010 at 09:51 | #11

    My question: If Lolly Pop is so creative, unique, amazing, etc. etc. why isn’t she as big as Lady Gaga? Oh, because she’s not. This is just another moron, fame leecher trying to put Gaga down for being who she is. Gaga will happily tell you who her influences are because she doesn’t steal, she uses people as inspiration. Whenever people ask where her outfits are from, she will relay a long list of people who helped make what she’s wearing at the moment. I’d be hard-pressed to find out that this nobody had any sort of influence on Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga CAN sing, CAN perform, and has the ability to do what most popstars can’t these days. She’s a true artist who spends her entire existence finding ways to make her music better and her fans happy.

  12. August 29th, 2010 at 14:59 | #12

    Your comments gave me a good LOL, you have excellent points!

    Lolly Pop is an outdated model. This personae has reached it’s saturation point via Lady Gaga and will run it’s natural course.

    In the meantime, POP INC is the 2.0:
    http://www.myspace.com/popincorporated
    http://www.youtube.com/popincorporated
    http://www.ninthwaverecords.com

    -Give us a budget/team that’s half her size and we’ll give you-know-who a good run for her money!

    <3

  13. August 30th, 2010 at 11:24 | #13

    Anthony: you’re probably 15-22 years old and haven’t quite figured it out yet. People probably wouldn’t have a problem with her if they weren’t trying to sell her as being so “unique” and “original”. Using that angle when you borrow so heavily from others is contradictory, which is why people have become suspicious and critical. Gaga should probably call herself something like a “cultural remixer” or “recycler”.

    Something else to reiterate: well known or not, Lolly Pop did do a lot of what Lady Gaga’s doing several years before.

    Brooke, no doubt that whatever you come up with next will be tops.

    Liz,NYC

  14. Jersey Boy
    August 30th, 2010 at 12:42 | #14

    @Brooke Aldridge
    GIVE YOU THE MONEY? Nobody gave it to GaGa, why should they give it you? Sour grapes, make some more whine

  15. JerseyBoy
    August 30th, 2010 at 13:41 | #15

    Oh Please, give me a break, she uses a phone props so nobody else can use a phone props? Ummmmm….. If GaGa stole the telehat from Aldridge then Aldridge stole it from others, have a look

    From the 50’s http://www.popfi.com/2008/04/21/phone-hats/
    From the 90’s http://www.theage.com.au/ftimages/2008/10/03/1222651334879.html

    and I listened to the Aldridge tele song, hers and GaGa’s are COMPLETELY different, not even close. I can understand ripping off a melody or lyrics but an obscure theme, ie a telephone? Gee, I guess you can’t write any more love songs Huh? Been done a million times.

    And as far as Grace goes who stole what from whom?

    http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/night__rider/gg.jpg

    Give me a break, it’s all been done before except GaGa does it better and different than anyone else.

  16. August 30th, 2010 at 15:27 | #16

    @Jersey Boy
    One important note to make about Lady GaGa’s investment background: her father, Joseph Germanotta, is a particularly progressive thinking entrepreneur who took over Infocrossing Inc. in 1999. They were on the leading edge of installing wifi technology in hotels all over the United States. In the last year less information has been made available online about Mr. Germanotta, to the extent that I have been unable to locate a wiki site for him that once existed (perhaps I’m just not looking hard enough). You won’t find much about him. Here is a link that still notes his initial involvement in Infocrossing. He left Infocrossing to take over House of GaGa.

    He is worth millions of dollars and I have heard from industry sources that he has corporate friends in similarly high places (makes sense).

    While I have no concrete information that he ever gave GaGa a cent outside that which a loving parent would typically give (i.e. pay rent, etc.), there is no reason to believe that he didn’t, and as sources have told me, every reason to believe he did initially fund the machine. As such, people must be very careful when assuming Lady GaGa traveled the same path as the typical starving artist.

  17. August 30th, 2010 at 16:47 | #17

    Jerseyboy: research. Lady’s family made a fortune in the internet boom. She went to school with Paris Hilton and her rich father (never mind her being pushed by a huge major label) runs her career. This is common knowledge for those of us up here in the boroughs. Don’t be fooled by the hype.

    As Nadine Light noted in her interview Brooke has worked tirelessly and I don’t think she’s asking for anything but proper credit and a fair shot. Now maybe you know something that I don’t, but I’ve never heard Brooke parading about claiming “a world’s first”? Sorry, but I’m with Nika on this one.

    Brooke: ignore Little Monsters.

  18. Jersey Boy
    August 30th, 2010 at 20:23 | #18

    @Skelly
    What has this got to do with GaGa ripping off another artist? Sour grapes sweetie and it’s my understanding (and I could be wrong) that The Haus of GaGa (her creative team NOT run by her father) is different from House of GaGa a publishing type of thing which IS run by her father or he has his name on it

  19. Jersey Boy
    August 30th, 2010 at 20:34 | #19

    @Elizabeth Martinelli
    AGAIN what has this got to do with GaGa ripping off another artist? I’ve listen to her version numerous times and I SEE NO SIMILARITY at all other than its centered around a Telephone. Just because she hasn’t got her due don’t blame it on GaGa. The world is full of unrecognized talent. My all time Fav artist who some call the Grandfather of Brit Pop Ray Davies is, IMO one of the most underrated talents of all time and he’s been at it for almost 50 years and barely gets the recognition he deserves. If you ask MOST young people if they know Mick J, Paul M and Ray D, the vast majority will say Ray Who?

  20. Jersey Boy
    August 30th, 2010 at 20:43 | #20

    @Elizabeth Martinelli
    Oh, and one more thing, you ask any youngin about “You Really Got Me” and they answer, “You mean that Van Halen Song”.

    Don’t try and lecture me about unrecognized talent.

    And what if GaGa’s Dad DID bankroll her, that’s her fault? Are you actually trying to say any other struggling artist would turn down their parents help to get started?

    I think not, GaGa’s just a human being not Mother Teresa.

  21. Jersey Boy
    August 30th, 2010 at 21:21 | #21

    Sorry but you guys got me going. Some of you imply GaGa’s family paved her road in gold. Does this sound like she wiped with gold gildid TP?

    From Rob Fusari’s lawsuit

    “Starland knew that Fusari had been searching for months for a dynamic female rock-n-roller with garage band chops to front an all-girl version of the Strokes,” the suit reads. “Starland was blown away by Germanotta’s performance and immediately called Fusari and told him she had found him his girl.” The document says that the aspiring singer took a bus the next day to Fusari’s 150 Studios in Parsippany, New Jersey, hiking the last quarter-mile.”

    Took the bus and hiked? They way you make it sound, where was the Limo?

    You guys should start a Winery and call it “Sour Grapes Are US”

    http://www.daily-reviews.com/lady-gaga-rob-fusari-lawsuit-a-closer-look/

  22. August 30th, 2010 at 23:08 | #22

    JB: you’re missing the point. It’s not just the telephone thing. There are several similarities, most of which have been laid out above: “Electro-Pop-Opera”, Ball themes and all.

    And what about all the other artists complaining of the same thing regarding her? I’m sure they’re all just jealous too, especially people like Grace, Kerli, Kelis
    et all.

    Look, we’re not trying to break your heart here. No one would have a problem if she called herself something else that better defines what she does. People would probably be excited to be I.P. sampled by her instead of understandably pissed off.

    If after this discussion you keep on bad mouthing all the other artists without even trying to see the other side, I’ve got a big box of IGNORE in store for you.

  23. August 31st, 2010 at 00:00 | #23

    @Jersey Boy
    My comments were only in response to your assertion that no one gave Lady GaGa any money, as you stated “no one gave it to GaGa.” This has absolutely nothing to do with ripping off an artist. I am a firm believer that the gift of great artistry is either an innate gift or an acquired gift. In either case, money does not factor into the equation, and I think Lady GaGa possesses enough of her own talent that she needn’t rip anyone off to be successful.

  24. August 31st, 2010 at 08:31 | #24

    @Skelly
    Couldn’t agree with you more! Have always said Stefani’s super talented and doesn’t need all the over-the-top B.S. at all.
    :-)

  25. August 31st, 2010 at 08:32 | #25

    @Elizabeth
    Thanks for understanding/the kind things.
    <3

  26. Jersey Boy
    August 31st, 2010 at 08:58 | #26

    @Skelly

    @Elizabeth Martinelli

    No, I think YOU ARE missing the point. Life On Hold is as similar to REM’s Star 69 as GaGa’s Telephone is to Life On Hold. Apples, Oranges and Peaches.

    Who coined the term Electro Pop Opera? Don’t make me laugh. Looks like someone beat her too it, give credit where credit is DUE! Now who is ripping whom off and taking claim for it? Retract your statement.

    Sam Ubl, April 11, 2005 “So Begins Our Alabee” initiates the second act: a self-styled electro pop opera.
    http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5955-the-sunlandic-twins/

    You’re not breaking my heart sweetie, looks like yours is the one bleeding, GaGa has the World by the Balls and many artists are just jealous she shot to fame like a skyrocket faster than almost anyone else in history. Next you’re going to tell me the Illuminati also helped her.

    Do you play Beatles records backwards and hear the Devil speaking?

    Don’t put words into my mouth sweetie, show me EXACTLY where I badmouthed anyone except those doing the criticizing.

    Don’t dish if you can’t take.

  27. August 31st, 2010 at 11:28 | #27

    JB: you’re still missing various points and clearly a very rabid Little Monster.

    IGNORE.

  28. Jersey Boy
    September 1st, 2010 at 09:06 | #28

    @Elizabeth Martinelli
    @Skelly

    I see that Aldridge was watching the Spice Girls.

    Looks like yet another idea you claim as “originally” hers and turns out someone did it first.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGNGw9Kn18s#t=0m51s

    I’ll break it to you gently. This is the only site I’ve found that even remotely claims Telephone is anything like Life on Hold.

    If it had similar lyrics or melody I might be sympathetic to your position. But it does not, not even close.

    Lets summarize.

    1. We have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT song/lyrics
    2. We have images of Telephone hats conceived before Aldridge
    3. We have a Telephone Booth used in a pop culture movie before Aldridge
    4. We have “Electro Pop Opera” coined before Aldridge

    all of these claimed by you to be “Originally” Aldridge’s.

    And you claim GaGa is a copycat? What gall you possess!

    I rather be a rabid little monster than a blind fan any day of the week.

  29. D-MOB
    September 2nd, 2010 at 01:01 | #29

    Stop player hating Pop. Your idol con-verted. Co-sign Martinelli, the girl never ran around proclaiming herself an all time 1st, to be truly original or any of that. Straight up, Lolly Pop and others got played in the making of Lady Gagme and it’s TIME for the big play back.

    DOUBLE straight up now, RIEMENSCHNEIDER echoed some of Skelly’s opinions in this Star Tribune article
    http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/music/101607498.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUqyE5D7UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

    Skelly ain’t the only one sayin it. And never mind that Moir/The Time and other big brass have come out for the girl.

    In the end, you’ve provided us with some real hefty information on how your idol ain’t unique at all.

    Play on Lolly Pop,
    D-MOB

  30. D-MOB
    September 2nd, 2010 at 01:32 | #30

    For all the haters who haven’t seen this, here’s a cut and paste of the information from the Facebook group.

    D-MOB
    ******

    “To be perfectly clear: the debate is not whether a “sound” was knicked, but whether a personae and marketing angles- i.e. non-musical intellectual properties- have been.

    ITEM 1: LOLLY POP- TELEPHONE! vs LADY GAGA- TELEPHONE

    a. Lolly Pop fronted Electro-clash act TELEPHONE!. In 2004, releases ‘Life On Hold’, an electronic pop song employing telephone metaphors and production. The song appeared on TELEPHONE!’s *69 ep as well as TC Electropunk Volume 1. In marketing materials, promotional pictures, videos as well as on-stage, Pop appeared wrapped in telephone cords, sporting phone paraphernalia as fashion accessories and popping out of telephone booths.

    b. Lady Gaga releases ‘TELEPHONE’, an electronic pop song employing telephone metaphors and production. The song appeared on The Fame Monster. In marketing materials, promotional pictures, videos as well as on-stage, Gaga appears wrapped in telephone cords, sporting phone paraphernalia as fashion accessories and popping out of telephone booths.

    Lolly Refs:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolly_Pop
    http://www.tcelectropunk.com/
    -Supplemental photos on both Profile Pics and “Photos Uploaded By Others”

    Lady Refs:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBsypHzF3U&feature=search
    -Supplemental photos on both Profile Pics and “Photos Uploaded By Others”

    ITEM 2: LOLLY POP & THE COUTURE CLUB vs LADY GAGA/HAUS OF GAGA

    a. Lolly Pop & The Couture Club formed in 2005 with the coaching of Monte Moir (The Time, Janet Jackson). Lolly Pop & The Couture Club were concerned with creating live performance art/mini-musicals and presenting pop music in a controversial, artistic, fashion-forward way. The Couture Club and Pop worked closely with local designers Rachelle Apelle (designed a suit as well as 2 convertible ball gowns for the GLAMOROUS ’06 tour) as well as Thom Navarro/Red Light Design (who designed various stage clothes as well as the gown Pop wore to the 2008 Grammy Awards).

    b. Gaga created Haus of Gaga in 2008. Haus of Gaga are a fashion-forward group of artists/designers who are preoccupied with presenting pop music in a controversial, artistic, fashion-focused way.

    Lolly Ref:
    http://www.myspace.com/lollypop/photos

    Lady Ref:
    http://ladygaga.wikia.com/wiki/Haus_of_GaGa

    ITEM 3: TOUR PARALLELS

    a. Lolly- GLAMOROUS ’06 TOUR
    Presented to press with Monte Moir (The Time) as band leader in an “Electro-Pop-Operetta”. The tour reflected the album, with a Cinderella-like story-arch, musicians in character, costume changes and going “to the Ball” a key focus.

    b. Lady- THE MONSTER BALL
    Is being presented to press as “the world’s first ever Pop-Electro-Opera.” Story-arch with going “to the Ball” a key focus.

    Lolly Refs:
    1. http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/1627775-lolly-pop
    (general description of album, band and tour circa 2006)

    2. Press quote (below profile pic- left on front page) from Peter Scholtes/City Pages in November 2006.

    3. Press reviews under profile pics

    Cross Ref: http://prince.org/msg/5/204334?pr

    Lady Refs:
    1. MTV screen capture in Profile Pics.
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucZXO40ql8&feature=search

    ITEM 4: ALBUM PARALLELS

    a. Lolly Pop- Lolly Pop
    An electro-pop concept record (more Synth/Euro Pop inspired) narrated by a New York socialite/fashionista (Pop) and members of her entourage (The Couture Club) that chronicle the gang’s glamorous gallivanting about Manhattan (locations referenced in Elevator Operator, Everybody Loves Dancing), going to “the Ball”. This album is concerned with the politics of dancing (Track: Everybody Loves Dancing), fashion (Tracks: Dress Up, Fashion Crisis, Sharp Dressed Man), illicit sex (Track: Elevator Operator), love gone wrong (Track: The Chauffeur) and leading “the glamorous life” (Tracks: Dress Up, Everybody Loves Dancing, Glamorous Life).

    ALBUM
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/lolly-pop/id216069472
    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lollypop

    b. Lady Gaga- The Fame
    An electro-pop concept album (more R&B inspired) surrounding a New York socialite/fashionista, her entourage and their wild adventures around New York, but with more R&B style vocals (peppered with rap). This record is largely concerned with dancing (Just Dance, Disco Heaven), fashion, illicit sex (Love Game, Pokerface), love gone wrong (Brown Eyes, I Like It Rough) and generally leading the “glamorous life” (Paparazzi, Starstruck, Beautiful/Dirty/Rich, The Fame).

    ALBUM
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/just-dance/id294084085?i=294084097&ign-mpt=uo%3D2

    ITEM 5: POP ART & GLBT THEMES

    Lady Is:
    An outspoken fan of Pop Art, Drag and GLBT culture. (2008-present)

    Lolly Is:
    An outspoken fan of Pop Art, Drag and GLBT culture; writes song about Pop Art & Drag, employing GLBT themes. (2004)
    (‘Divas & Queens’- TELEPHONE! *69 ep)

    ITEM 6: BOWIE FANDOM

    Lady Is:
    An outspoken fan of David Bowie, sports Ziggy lightning bolt on cheek (2008).

    Lolly Is:
    An outspoken fan of David Bowie; records cover of ‘FAME’ with Suburbs members Chan Poling, Bruce Allen, Hugo Klaers and more (2003); writes fictitious song about Bowie moving to Paris and becoming an art professor. (2004)
    (‘Paris In The Rain’- TELEPHONE! *69 ep)

    ITEM 7: PRINCE FANDOM

    Lady:
    Is an outspoken Prince fan.

    Lolly:
    Makes records with the Prince clan.”
    ******

    SHA-ZAM!

  31. julie
    September 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 | #31

    OH! OH! So-n-So wore a pair of PANTS in their video decades ago, that MUST mean that this person is ripping them off!

    It’s 2010. You’re not the first, you won’t be the last. It’s been done, all of it, over and over again. We just have better documention of it now.

  32. I_stomped_out_your_dad_back_in_the_day
    September 17th, 2010 at 10:19 | #32

    Brooke: Actual talent, true artistic type. Has actual sex appeal, but puts it on the back burner. Takes the high road and chooses to let her music define her instead.

    Gaga = Swagger jacker. Pretentious. Sex appeal — yeah fuggin’ right. If you think she’s hot, you have a broke dick.

    Gaga’s core audience were hipsters (I guess they found something new), and hipsters are artistic thieves of the worst kind. People like that gravitate toward their own To those who think Gaga is so great because of her sales, allow me to quote Immortal Technique:

    “f*ck the records you sold, cuz if you go platinum, it’s got nothing to do with luck, it just means that a million people are stupid as f*ck”

  33. March 17th, 2011 at 12:06 | #33

    Lady Gaga put on a show here in San Antonio last Thursday. It looked pretty entertaining from the phone videos I saw!

  34. April 8th, 2011 at 06:31 | #34

    For those who never had a chance to see a Lolly Pop live show: “Phone call”: Check. “Believe in yourself, always believe…” speech: Check. Gay entourage? Check. “Electro-Pop-Opera” about “Going to the Ball”: Check. Gets lost in Manhatten with her friends? Check. And my, does POSH reek of Lolly’s FAIRY GODFATHER. The fact that the music industry is letting her get away with this is an absolute travesty. On behalf of New York City, I apologize to Lolly Pop.

  35. August 10th, 2011 at 16:37 | #35

    After listening to her on the Howard Stern Show I really felt she was a strong artist. She has changed what it means and takes to be an artist in today’s society. I really love all the pallets and layers of thoughts she adds to her fashion.

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